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Change of outer margin for single pages

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I use book(KOMA) for a double-sided document.

For some of my left (even) pages I want to reduce my outer margin to get more text on this page. It would be best, if I could do this for selected paragraphs only. For example if I could only change the margin for the footnotes of the single page.

Using \evensidemargin I created less left margin but the line length persists so my right margin enlarges. This isn't what I wanted. :)

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Change of outer margin for single pages

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Are you looking for the addmargin environment? I don't know if this will work for you, as i am not entirely sure what you are trying to do. Can you give us a minimal example?
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Re: Change of outer margin for single pages

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Attached a screenshot of an example double page. Sorry for not creating a minimal example as proposed, but I do not have enogh time for reading the whole documentation of this topic at present.

The second paragraph of the footnote now located on the right page should be on the left because in the whole document there will be two different texts at left and right pages.

So if I could decrease the left and lower margin the footnote paragraphs maybe the whole text would fit on one page.
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Re: Change of outer margin for single pages

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Well, you could provide some code (text) so that helpers don't have to type in some example text on their own. You could also use package blindtext. The size of the margins will also be of importance.
The way you are separating left and right texts is important as well.
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Change of outer margin for single pages

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Separating left and right texts is done by insertions of \newpage{}~\newpage. At present every right pages are empty ("~") exept the header. But in future a english translation of the text on the left page will be situated there. So the extend of text on both pages will be the same.

Here is the code of the text shown in the screenshot above.

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\newpage{}\markboth{IV. ABTHEILUNG:}{Von der Sprache überhaupt}26 

\noindent me. Verschiedene Hinderniße, die dieser Luft bey ihrem Ausgange
durch die Zunge, die Zähne und Lippen in den Weg gelegt werden, geben
verschiedene Schalle, Töne, oder Laute, derer jeder seine bestimmte
Bedeutung hat. Und darin bestehen das große Kunstwerk der Sprache,
das größte Geschenk des Schöpfers, mit dem er das vorzüglichste Geschöpf
dieses Erdbodens ausgeschmückt hat, das Hauptband der menschlichen
Verbrüderung, die Grundfeste der Gesellschaft. Der Sprache allein
haben wir unser reiches Erbtheil von Kenntnissen zu danken. Sie hat
Entdeckungen von Jahrtausenden auf uns gebracht, und wird wie mit
dem unsrigen bereichert auf unsere Urenkel bringen. Was erhebt, was
erquickt unseren Geist so wie der hinreissende Zauber der Rede, was
gewährt größere Ohrenlust als die durch den Gesang belebte göttliche
Dichtkunst. O was wäre heute noch unsere Vernunft ohne Sprache \textendash{}
ohne ererbte Kenntniß! Worin wären wir von dem Thiere unterschieden?
({*})

\begin{singlespace}
\noindent ~\\
{\scriptsize{({*}) Mutum ac turpe pecus . . . }}\textsf{\scriptsize{{[}27{]}}}{\scriptsize{
Donec verba, quibus voces sensusque notarent Nominaque invenere. Horat.
Serm. 1.3.}}%
\footnote{>>... mutum et turpe pecus, glandem atque cubilia propter / unguibus
et pugnis, dein fustibus atque ita porro / pugnabant armis, quae post
fabricaverat usus, / donec verba, quibus voces sensusque notarent,
/ nominaque invenere;<< Horaz: Sermones, liber primus, sermon tertius,
Zl. 100-105. 

>>Stummes und garstiges Vieh, da begann um Eichel und Lager, / Erst
mit Klaun und Fäusten, sodann mit Keulen und hierauf / Gar mit Waffen
der Kampf, die Gebrauch allmählich geschmiedet: / Bis man gegliederte
Wort', um Laut und Gefühl zu bezeichnen, / Samt den Benennungen fand.<<
{[}2{]} 

Kempelen bezieht sich hier auf eine Äußerung Monboddos (s. S. 55)
zum Thema der >>wilden Kinder<< bzw. >>Waldmenschen<< und des
Erwerbs der Sprache durch Imitation.
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Re: Change of outer margin for single pages

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The margins are adopted unchanged from book(KOMA) for DinA5.

Left: 3.7cm
Bottom: 3.1cm
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You said you have no time to prepare a minimal example, that means i have to do the work, your work.

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\documentclass[paper=a5,pagesize]{scrbook}
\usepackage{setspace}
\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}
\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
\begin{document}
\null
\newpage{}\markboth{IV. ABTHEILUNG:}{Von der Sprache überhaupt}26

\begin{addmargin}{-1cm}
\noindent me. Verschiedene Hinderniße, die dieser Luft bey ihrem Ausgange
durch die Zunge, die Zähne und Lippen in den Weg gelegt werden, geben
verschiedene Schalle, Töne, oder Laute, derer jeder seine bestimmte
Bedeutung hat. Und darin bestehen das große Kunstwerk der Sprache,
das größte Geschenk des Schöpfers, mit dem er das vorzüglichste Geschöpf
dieses Erdbodens ausgeschmückt hat, das Hauptband der menschlichen
Verbrüderung, die Grundfeste der Gesellschaft. Der Sprache allein
haben wir unser reiches Erbtheil von Kenntnissen zu danken. Sie hat
Entdeckungen von Jahrtausenden auf uns gebracht, und wird wie mit
dem unsrigen bereichert auf unsere Urenkel bringen. Was erhebt, was
erquickt unseren Geist so wie der hinreissende Zauber der Rede, was
gewährt größere Ohrenlust als die durch den Gesang belebte göttliche
Dichtkunst. O was wäre heute noch unsere Vernunft ohne Sprache \textendash{}
ohne ererbte Kenntniß! Worin wären wir von dem Thiere unterschieden?
({*})

\end{addmargin}
\begin{singlespace}
	\noindent ~\\
	{\scriptsize{({*}) Mutum ac turpe pecus . . . }}\textsf{\scriptsize{{[}27{]}}}{\scriptsize{
		Donec verba, quibus voces sensusque notarent Nominaque invenere. Horat.
	Serm. 1.3.}}%
	\footnote{>>... mutum et turpe pecus, glandem atque cubilia propter / unguibus
		et pugnis, dein fustibus atque ita porro / pugnabant armis, quae post
		fabricaverat usus, / donec verba, quibus voces sensusque notarent,
		/ nominaque invenere;<< Horaz: Sermones, liber primus, sermon tertius,
		Zl. 100-105.

		>>Stummes und garstiges Vieh, da begann um Eichel und Lager, / Erst
		mit Klaun und Fäusten, sodann mit Keulen und hierauf / Gar mit Waffen
		der Kampf, die Gebrauch allmählich geschmiedet: / Bis man gegliederte
		Wort', um Laut und Gefühl zu bezeichnen, / Samt den Benennungen fand.<<
		{[}2{]}

		Kempelen bezieht sich hier auf eine Äußerung Monboddos (s. S. 55)
		zum Thema der >>wilden Kinder<< bzw. >>Waldmenschen<< und des
	Erwerbs der Sprache durch Imitation.}
	\end{singlespace}
		\end{document}
I strongly discourage this practice. You should think about changing the paper or fontsize for the whole document. Your \scriptsize madness is also kind of strange.
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Re: Change of outer margin for single pages

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Maybe I should have mentioned earlier that I am a Latex greenhorn at all. I do not expect anybody to do *my* work. Especially not in a forum. But if I do not know how to do, I could not do the work myself. Reading (& uderstanding) the relevant manual would have taken me a lot of hours. And I expected my problem to be not that big for experienced Latex users. So sorry for the inconvenience.

The fontsize for the main text as well as for the footnotes was chosen on purpose and not arbitrary.

But I agree with you: I have to find another solution than changing the margins.

Thanks for helping!
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Please don't get me wrong here. I have been involved in many threads, where the OP gave one little info after the other, everytime a question had to be asked. After weeks (!) an example could be produced that actually showed the described behaviour to others. Or in other words, they were able to understand the problem after weeks. Or in other words, they were able to provide a working solution to the problem after weeks.


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